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title: StripeDev Live – Stripe for VS Code and VS Code Extensions
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description: StripeDev Live - Stripe for VS Code and VS Code Extensions 2021-11-18  Recording of the StripeDev Live event on Visual Studio Code extensions and the Stripe for VS Code extension, including the Stripe for Visual Studio Code extension.   Want to join the next one live? Join the official Stripe Discord server here: https://stripe.com/go/developer-chat  ### Presenters Isidor Nikolic - Software Engineer at Microsoft, Visual Studio Code - https://twitter.com/IsidorN Brian Holt – Software Engineer at Stripe, Developer Experience Product Manager – https://twitter.com/holtbt CJ Avilla - Developer Advocate at Stripe - https://twitter.com/cjav_dev  ### Resources Stripe Developers Discord: https://stripe.com/go/developer-chat Stripe Dev Live chat: https://discord.com/channels/841573134531821608/898275283445108806 Stripe for VS Code: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=Stripe.vscode-stripe Stripe for VS Code docs: https://stripe.com/docs/stripe-vscode   ### Table of contents 00:00 Introduction 04:25 Dogfooding VS Code 07:04 Opening 2000 issues 09:10 Does VS Code in the browser use fewer resources than the client application 11:35 Removing the Java dependency in Stripe for VS Code 12:48 Publishing new extensions 13:45 Favorite Stripe for VS Code features 14:25 Common hurdles for extension developers 17:17 VS Code extension samples 20:34 Stripe for VS Code snippets feature 23:30 The future of Atom at Microsoft 24:23 What future developments in editors are you most excited about? 27:09 What extensions do you keep always-enabled? 34:50 C# and VS Code vs Visual Studio 38:04 LSP and building on protocols 39:50 Favorite VS Code themes 42:00 Upcoming VS Code features 46:00 Conclusion   ### Support If you have a question, please feel free to reach out to our support team on Discord at https://stripe.com/go/developer-chat.   ### Updates Sign up to stay updated with developer news: https://go.stripe.global/dev-digest   ### Feedback If you have any feedback about this or other episodes, let us know: https://forms.gle/VjNqzRhotM2snYo88 #Stripe #Payments
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# StripeDev Live – Stripe for VS Code and VS Code Extensions

*Published: November 19, 2021*
*Views: 667*

## Watch

[Watch on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOLMyJGvsAI)

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## Description

StripeDev Live - Stripe for VS Code and VS Code Extensions 2021-11-18

Recording of the StripeDev Live event on Visual Studio Code extensions and the Stripe for VS Code extension, including the Stripe for Visual Studio Code extension. 

Want to join the next one live? Join the official Stripe Discord server here: https://stripe.com/go/developer-chat

### Presenters
Isidor Nikolic - Software Engineer at Microsoft, Visual Studio Code - https://twitter.com/IsidorN
Brian Holt – Software Engineer at Stripe, Developer Experience Product Manager – https://twitter.com/holtbt
CJ Avilla - Developer Advocate at Stripe - https://twitter.com/cjav_dev

### Resources
Stripe Developers Discord: https://stripe.com/go/developer-chat
Stripe Dev Live chat: https://discord.com/channels/841573134531821608/898275283445108806
Stripe for VS Code: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=Stripe.vscode-stripe
Stripe for VS Code docs: https://stripe.com/docs/stripe-vscode


### Table of contents
00:00 Introduction
04:25 Dogfooding VS Code
07:04 Opening 2000 issues
09:10 Does VS Code in the browser use fewer resources than the client application
11:35 Removing the Java dependency in Stripe for VS Code
12:48 Publishing new extensions
13:45 Favorite Stripe for VS Code features
14:25 Common hurdles for extension developers
17:17 VS Code extension samples
20:34 Stripe for VS Code snippets feature
23:30 The future of Atom at Microsoft
24:23 What future developments in editors are you most excited about?
27:09 What extensions do you keep always-enabled?
34:50 C# and VS Code vs Visual Studio
38:04 LSP and building on protocols
39:50 Favorite VS Code themes
42:00 Upcoming VS Code features
46:00 Conclusion


### Support
If you have a question, please feel free to reach out to our support team on Discord at https://stripe.com/go/developer-chat.
 
### Updates
Sign up to stay updated with developer news: https://go.stripe.global/dev-digest
 
### Feedback
If you have any feedback about this or other episodes, let us know: https://forms.gle/VjNqzRhotM2snYo88
#Stripe #Payments

## Transcript

hello and welcome everyone back to another episode of stripe dev live in this episode we're going to dive deep into vs code extension it's visual studio code extensions we're going to chat about the the strike vs code extension and we've got some really amazing guests with us today so we're live here on discord and we aim to hold these discussions on a monthly cadence with our community and open source folks you might be watching this later on youtube or in your podcast player we really appreciate your time and attention so there is a text channel for this event that you can head over and drop some questions into or comment about what we're chatting about and we'll try our best to answer those questions live so today with us i'm going to add some folks to the stream so i'm going to invite brian and isador up to speak here with me and what we're going to do today is just go through a bunch of details about bs code extensions and the ecosystem so if you have built a vs code extension or if you are thinking about creating a vs code extension we would love to hear your questions and comments there in the text channel with us today is isidore from the vs code team at microsoft and we're super super lucky to have you so isidore do you want to give us just a quick intro of what you're working on and maybe your your favorite vs code extension sure so first of all my name is silver i've been working on we use code 10 years now reminders in one month and what i'm currently working on is extensions our extension ecosystem making sure that's healthy looking into our vs code apis and apart from that i'm also looking into some other that's which might be interesting to you so maybe i just quickly mentioned them so in the past i i wrote the debug ui which we have which is like language agnostic because in this code you can debug many different languages and like always have the same ui by rotating explorer which probably if you use vs code you have to use that and did lots of work on accessibility so we really cared to use code can be used by old developers out there so if developer is using a screen reader and has a limited vision we want to make sure that this code is really useful and yep that's it in short details about any of those obviously the the accessibility stuff in particular i'm excited to dig into i have a friend who gave a talk called whale quench about coding with her voice really interesting stuff brian we're also joined uh by brian here from the developer products team at strife but brian also has some experience from microsoft we're working on some of these same tools so brian thanks so much for joining us welcome and do you mind giving us just a quick intro yeah happy too so i am now the pm of developer products that's right that means i get to work on some of your favorite tools to work with strive which is like the stripe cli the vs code extension all the stripes server-side sdks web hooks developer dashboard firebase extension react native yeah basically anything that developers are using to build an integration with stripe those are things that i'm working on these days super fun really enjoyed it so if you have feedback you know where to find me i am a whole bt on twitter or brian holt here on discord then yeah before i actually had the same boss as isadora i worked on the vs code vs code as well as javascript on azure at microsoft for about four years obviously this is near and dear to my heart talking about vs code particularly someone like isadore awesome awesome awesome yeah you've got a really great mix of experience and influence here for anyone who is using the stripe for vs code extension yeah please just drop in the text channel and just raise your hand and say hey i've used the stripe for vs code extension and then also if you have any ideas for features that you'd like or anything that you want to request for the vs code extension we are all ears we would absolutely love to hear your ideas or bugs or any feedback about that so just to get us loosen this up a little bit i'm also curious non-vs code extension just real quick one word answer vim versus emacs oh you monster i'm going to say vim all right isidore yeah i i cannot choose except i have to say next okay let's get down to some specifics here so at stripe we really encourage a lot of folks internally to dog food our own products and try out our own stuff and isadora i'm curious on your team at microsoft are you using vs code all day to build vs code and then also just curious what your own workflow is as you're building out features for vs code yes so that's a great question and self-hosting is definitely in our dna that's the most important thing which we have done since day one and then i say day one really from day one then it was when we really do have anything like when it was just an editor which didn't even have if we had coloring so you there was an editor with coloring that was nine years ago even then we were coding in it so we really sell forced on absolutely everything that we have and might feel like this that's one of the biggest strengths of our team i can go on i can talk about the souls for 20 minutes but let me try to be concise into telling you how this actually works in practice good thing for vs code is that all the engineers use it so the engineers are also the engineers and the users so for example if i push a fix we also have this thing which is called vs code insiders and that's a version of vs code which gets update every day so all of us inside the team we use that version for this code so for example on tuesday i push some new feature in deepak land already on wednesday team members friends which are in the shared room back when before the before we all work from home they would provide feedback immediately the very next day and we have super fast release cycles so i would get feedback the next day it might be positive it might be negative any feedback is great especially when it's coming from from a team member and when you use the product to design the features better you're much more i would say connected to to reality or much more down to earth and if we are not using some feature in vs code then that's a problem like why are we not using it we are engineers we are the target audience and that's like a red flag for us if there's a new feature which nobody is using like what's going on do we need to rethink that but yeah we really care about supposedly that way and you can ask more questions there i impact the answer yeah no that's great like in terms of maybe are there any examples of features that that you came up with as you were using the editor day-to-day maybe like a recent feature that you were like ah this is really painful i wish that the editor could do this again i think if you go to the our github repository which is github microsoft vs code and if you look at author and you look at easily which is me you don't see that i opened 2000 issues over my time there and it's not like i'm doing some end-to-end testing no this is actually me using this code and being frustrated by something or wanting some new feature so this happens really regularly for example two days ago we had this activity bar which is a thing on the left and then at the bottom of the activity bar we have this icon that you can sign it to github and if you sign in we enable the settings sync which is basically a feature that your settings get synced across machines and basically i i use that obviously and i logged in and i was like why isn't my github editor rendered here the feature felt incomplete to me so like the how to call it the placeholder folder icon was still left there even though i am logged in and basically that started the discussion like i can now explain how the flow works i was using it to like it created an issue of github but i started in discussion we had this thing called the ux meeting once per week and then just talked about why we should add it what are the pros what are the coins and like for example one of the consoles people don't want to see their face what they're coding up there in the bottom left corner but then we discussed hey then we need to make this configurable that users can do right click height and now basically it's all the plan for for the next milestones for example in december we will investigate into this and what will actually happen we'll have a first version of this which is that i have to be perfect but it has to be out there in insiders and that we all have to try it out because now it was just like thinking about it like doing theories but when we drive down in practice then we will actually see how to pick how do team members feel like having their big avatar rendered in the top left corner awesome awesome that's great so yeah you heard it here first if you want something added to you head over to github and open an issue or 2 000. we have a question from the audience thank you elena and we the question is does vs code in the browser use less computer resources than the client it's a good question so for vs code in the browser there's two things that we are perfectly clear there's this thing which is called code spaces github code spaces and that is you go to github and you can open any repository in the code space that means that there's a vm living in the cloud which will actually be your compute and then the architecture is similar what works in the local discount will also work in this instance on code spaces so you have you have your front end locally but the extensions and everything is actually running with the cloud and that will obviously be less compute intensive on your local machine because the cloud is helpful that's number one experience and then we have this other experience which is we call it github dot dev and vs code there so is is there a chat maybe that i can share a link to the audience or current pro yeah paul can share links if it is yeah if it is vs code.dev or github.delegate for example github slash microsoft slash vs code so that's a simple link everybody can click that and this is basically just vs code in the browser which will open our vs code repository which lipstick lives in github and uh this is a different experience this and big crypto that then code space is what i originally mentioned this experience does not have cloud compute let's put it there today so everything is running in the browser however since extensions run in the browser they run in the browser service worker and that's what extensions can do is a bit limited compared to the regular vs code there's no access to new js to move modules things like that and this thing i think it's probably can be less currently than the regular vs code but it's probably also less compute intensity answers to questions yeah i think that's definitely uh helpful and has a lot of coverage for that answer for elena please let us know elena if you have any follow-ups i've actually got one for brian we have a question from mikeyblike about the stripe for vs code extension and it reads can we remove the java dependency with the vs code extension maybe we can talk a little bit about yeah the language snippets and and things that the stripe extension is doing yeah that's the question mikey be like but it's a good question though we're constantly looking at how we can like slim down make this uh experience better i know we accidentally shipped like a better improved java language server for the vs code extension as far as like the near term future i don't necessarily think we have plans to remove it but again we're super interested in making it a better experience we recognize that that is a kind of pain point for people so it's probably not a super satisfying answer trying to balance like performance versus what kind of features that we're going to add which by the way i'm just going to say that this entire thing is a thinly veiled solicitation for feedback so if you have for example that's really good feedback for us to get that annoys the hell out of you but just in the chat here feel free to drop every certainly i wish the vs code extension did this or didn't do this that's everything that we we could use from you all right now just to figure out how we can make the vs code drive extension better totally totally absolutely i've got another question that came in via dm here so this one for isidore how does the vs code ecosystem work when new extensions are being published you have to vet every single submission i'm also just generally curious if you're reviewing the code for every extension or are they all approved immediately how does that work we are not reviewing every extension all the extensions are living on the marketplace and once the extension gets uploaded to the marketplace automatically scans it for viruses and potential harmful things and once those scans are true we basically accept the marketplace basically accepts the extension and that's basically it there's a report abuse button and if we see that some extension is doing something [ __ ] to put it that way we have mechanisms to take the extension down so that makes sense there's like some light scanning and then there's also ways for people to say hey this wooden's a bad actor needs to be taken down brian i've got another one for you from dm just curious what your favorite feature of the stripe for vs code extension is that's a good one there's a really nice one that we just added that has to do with fixtures that's a pretty good one i'm trying to think what else cloning up samples i find that super helpful because i go through a lot of samples and then streaming logs that's probably it right there is just being able to see my logs directly there on the sidebar is also super super helpful for me at least on my personal stripe workflows awesome awesome for me i really love being able to set up the webhook forwarding inside of the vs code extension once you have a sample set up and running you don't need to set up ngrok or any sort of tunneling software there's a really nice command for setting up a web book that will listen and forward those events to your locally running server that one for me has been a game changer obviously that's also a pretty thin wrapper around the stripe cli but yeah i'm a big fan of that feature for sure cool isadora we've got another one here for you what are some common hurdles that you hear from developers specifically around developing their own extensions for vs code hurdles we have like lots of feature requests from extension authors which they would like be back when we started i think extension authors we wanted more control of the ui and the extension authors always want more api and we are always very careful when we add api when we designed it how we design it what does it actually do and we said for ui you also have limited things which we allow for an extension to change in the ui it's a bit controlled so maybe extension autumn's at the beginning until they fully understood how we're approaching this problem maybe they were requesting more control so that's fun but now i think this at least to me personally feels like in the past currently i think we have lots of things where we can improve and most of the things are on our greater so for example one is like the extent the search for extensions inside vs code it's very bad to put it mildly and then we get feedback from extension authors hey users are typing i don't know stripe and my extension is not showing up and things like that so that's one of the things which we definitely want to improve and apart from that there's some capability thinking martinian extension is deprecated because it can happen that after some time you no longer work with the six statues you no longer want to support it and currently we don't really have a nice mechanism for that societies that come on the top of my mind but apart from that it's usually api requests like hey i would like to write an extension and currently we're for example looking into adding tab api because correctly there's no ap and vs code for the extension to get the list of all types that's one of the big requests like extension authors want to for example uh want to help with that manipulation such that if a tab is inactive for 10 minutes it gets automatically closed for something like that you can imagine an extension like a that manager helper whatever and there are requests that we had this tab api you're actually now looking into this awesome awesome awesome i tried setting up a theme one time and as an extension and it was surprisingly uh straightforward to get up and running but one thing that i found really useful is on github under the microsoft organization in the vs code extension samples repo we can drop a link in the text channel so there is this giant repo of tons of different samples that show you how to set up like lots of different types of extensions so if you're working with code lens or if you're trying to build a language server protocol tool you can just head over to that repository and check out take a look at those samples i found that really useful as i'm looking through this i i had a bunch of questions one in particular is i'm curious when github copilot was launched was there were there a lot of features that needed to be added to vs code to get a copilot are there things that are private apis that enable that or is that a tool that anyone could really build if they had access to codex that's a great question first let me for extension samples yep we really tried to provide the examples to help the community and we tried to make hopefully we're successful you know making the locking extensions very easy you can just press f5 to get a new instance obvious code with your extension running you can deposit right there i think that's pretty neat and then for copilot we don't have any private apis for copilot we try not to have any private apis we sometimes do have is that sometimes we have proposed api before the api is stable the api first is proposed in order for us to get feedback on it some extensions be allowed to use proposed api for some time in order for us to get more feedback and in order to improve the proposed api with the idea that we finalized one day except all of that there's some private api for copilot however we did have to introduce one new feature for them they're the main motivation but now we use it for everything the feature is called inline suggestion the whole idea you probably noticed if you use copilot like this co-pilot suggestions they come in gray inside the editor right as you're typing so that was the original motivation but now we have settings that for example while you're typing and you get this intellisense popup that as you change the currently selected item in the intellisense widget we actually render it in line whenever we add some api for something we really try to generalize we don't like adding special ideas for only one extension in our mind that doesn't really make sense now i'm actually working with the copal team and helping them as the pm but i wasn't there from day one though i'm not sure how the discussion went but most of the discussions go an extension wants something very specific and then we on the vs code side say hey let's try to generalize let's try to make this the other extensions can also benefit from this and in the end we just added this inline suggestions for them so yeah i think any extension and use this and i think they have access to the back end so i i think it should be i do try it out so i can't guarantee nice okay so the inline suggestion feature i know maybe brad can speak to this a little bit too but as part of the stripe for vs code extension we ship i think they're called snippets i think that's the tool that we're using for building this like the the code expansion snippets for vs code for the strike for vs code extension curious yeah brian to maybe speak more about that and then also how you're thinking about in the developer products team about maybe how we might make those snippets instead of just being us like a fixed snippet making it use this inline suggestion feature that might have been part of that co-pilot release yeah that's definitely something that we're interested in looking into at the core of it what we're looking for is we're looking for like common workflow for developers and we're trying to just smooth that path if you're doing the same sort of things over and over again we're going to try and you know smooth that path over for you so that's just part of it first of all it's just talking to developers looking at our telemetry figuring out what they tend to be doing over and over again we're also super interested in copilot one of the first things we did when we when copilot was made available was reach out to github and hey can we like plug into this and help improve the snippets and make this better so that if you say hey i want to do a striped payment it just pops it all out for you i mean the code's just so index just lean into the ecosystem and rather than try us trying to reinvent the wheel and then the other thing is oh it's what are they called they call like uh like the what is it what do they call when the light bulb pops up and you can do the code transformations quick fixes we looked into doing some of those as well those are a bit more involved right because like most of the quick fixes i think come from typescript itself as opposed to from what's in vs code i think an extension team function the tool holds to that so it theoretically shouldn't be possible for sure yeah no we run into the issue that we support seven languages but so doing that with uh kind of uh three or four engineers ends up being a bit of a task but coming back to what uh cj was saying is we're definitely looking into how we can improve those things snippets was like the lowest hanging fruit so that's what we started out with but we're seeing people use them and get excited about them and so we're you can probably expect us to look into that and expand that footprint probably in 2022. awesome so if you have the strike for vs code extension installed and you haven't seen the snippet thing that we're talking about i think if you're in maybe yeah in a file that is one of our officially supported server language files like ruby python php go java.net and i'm forgetting one then you should be able to type stripe and then you'll see sort of an autocomplete pop up where you can expand a snippet and it'll drop in the actual api call code for you in that language it's so handy especially when there's a lot of boilerplate the api call might take a lot of parameters or expect a lot of parameters by default for instance with stripe checkout yeah big fan of the snippets but i also really love how copilot lets you enumerate several different potential inline suggestions yeah excited to see where that goes in the future all right so warmly is one of our community experts and he is curious what happened to adam i don't know if either of you have contacts around that but yeah curious to hear what what happened to the atom editor i have to be honest i don't really know don't really know i i think uh better than me and three would just be somewhere googling i'm not sure if there are new releases so i don't use atom i was never an atom music i can give some context from when i was there which is not a lot basically especially after the microsoft acquisition the first thing that they say is we're going to continue supporting it because people like adam right so they didn't want to abandon that community especially one of some decent times building it up they did move the electron team from github to developer division which is where isidore now sits and that's where i was also working for in microsoft so that team has continued to be like really well supported but i think going forward and again i'm not speaking for microsoft or stripe in this capacity but my opinion is that vs code's kind of the way forward and adam will probably continue to receive minor updates here and there cool makes sense all right so we've got another question here in dna curious what you're most excited about for the future of editors in general i know and obviously copilot could have copilot is super super exciting but yeah curious since you're so steeped in in the ecosystem what kind of really cool things might we expect as developers okay i'll try to be quick so i'm super excited about this vs cool tab and github.dev experience i hope we shared the link and i'm super excited about enabling developers to to work from the browser because it's not the only browser it's like any device because if it works in on the browser it works on your tablet it works on your phone and actually right now we are helping our extension echo system that extension slowly transition to supporting working the browser because if you remember i mentioned that in the browser we don't have access to this node apis currently so some extensions have to use different libraries or use different strategies in order to work there so that's one of the things that i'm personally very excited about go ahead brian the thing that i guess i can say having been both now on the inside and the outside of the vs code team is it's exciting to see what the vs code team is doing because what this was referring to earlier they're not content to just build cool stuff or internal to microsoft and keep it to themselves they're pretty keen on getting that out to the ecosystem so you can look at what's microsoft doing today which means it's stuff that stripe can be doing for you tomorrow with vs code and that's things like vs code.dev where we can just drop like a link into our docs it's like all right here's a fully functioning stripe environment we can go try stuff out and knock yourself out as well as like plugging into things like co-pilots all those kind of things really means that like we can like even up the game further on the stripe documentation and the learning process and education as well as just you do need a brand new stripe environment here's a container that plugs into code spaces and you're off and running and we can use things like a scripts and terraform to automatically pull down your api keys so that just from you know moment zero you have a functioning developer environment that's the kind of stuff for me that i get to build even better experiences that people don't have to learn all the the ritual and sacrifice of setting up new dev environments they can just be off and running that's that gets me excited about what's where editors are going i absolutely agree for example looking at stripe docs currently they're great talks but they could be it could be a playground right as brand says you play there everything just works in the browser you quickly run the samples and you see the results right there you continue from there yeah yeah sorry brandon that's just excited that's all yeah no it is super super exciting and we've seen tools that allow you to run code in the browser for a long time so jsfiddle or if we're going some more modern stuff with glitch or replica these have allowed you to have like a very limited environment for running and playing around with code the go playground is a good example of that but yeah absolutely pumped about the future where you can have a real true full editor experience that we need for productivity purposes but for all the other reasons that we choose to use the editor locally having all that accessible in the browser is going to be really amazing and powerful so that's definitely super super exciting i wanted to change gears just a tiny bit and talk about code lens and so maybe isidore if you wouldn't mind just giving us a quick breakdown of what code lens is and then i'm curious question for both just whether you actually have code lens enabled full time or if that's something that you you use in certain scenarios yeah so maybe just like an intro and then how you use it right you say code lens because we have multiple features so what do we exactly mean so i guess is code lens a feature that you can plug into with any extension i know git lens is like a really popular extension that gives you extra context on given lines are there other extensions that you're using that use this sort of code lens tool or maybe i'm misunderstanding that no i i think you're understanding it i just wanted to clarify so gitlands is a very very large extension to put it that way it's it's one of the most popular extensions for a reason because it really gives lots of git features and the community absolutely loves it and it uses i think probably the number one extension or like looking at how much of ap vs what apis it uses and one of the things that let's use this is this code lens ui that it contributes code lenses and so codements those are basically for people that that don't know it those are just inline areas for example there are some test runner extensions which would the tests in your file and then advantage test file there would be a small area contributed there the rung re-run buttons and i'm not sure how deeply uses this exactly because personally i'm like a minimalist i don't really like when there's too many things in the uh we try to also we also try to keep vs code minimalistic we a lot of times but we still try it and because kit lens adds all of these new ui elements it really adds a lot of information but just it's a bit against my nature which they like when i'm developing i like to be in this focus mode where i don't really have a lot of ui on top i really like having just my editor that's it but i don't really use any of those extensions which contribute code lenses and there might be multiple in the neatest use case i saw it like this test runners by the way an integrated experience where where extensions can contribute test different astronomers for different languages i think what i would add to that is it's a really powerful feature in vs code like i just pulled up the docs while mr was talking they're actual contextual and interspersed which i think is pretty cool so basically like you can pull up some like context of something take a look at it and you can decide something side by side with like good context but i like this address caution on it as well that like part of the charm and usefulness in my opinion of vs code is that it is quite minimalistic there's like little between you and the code and i really try and keep it that way so for something like git git lens which is a marvel of engineering in my opinion i got to work with eric modio when he was at microsoft working on vs code as well and it is extremely useful but i'm the kind of person that's going to turn it off and on i'm going to say okay i want to get lens right now and then i'll turn it on do a bunch of stuff with it then i'll turn it off and that's my disposition towards code lens and generals it adds a lot of functionality but i don't want it all the time i don't want a passive i want to be like active use of it and then i want to turn it off yeah absolutely i mirror the same interest of keeping a minimal editor minimalist editor especially where we're making video content so we try to minimize all the distractions that we might have on screen when we're recording developer video content we try to remove any of those distractions including things like any sort of code lens and so with that sort of context and a minimalist setup i am curious what extensions you really love and what your favorite extensions are that you have to have on all the time despite wanting to keep it minimalist maybe this is where you want to go first yeah that's a good question and it's like a constant struggle i have with myself so that's the extension that i cannot live without to the extension that alex and my teammate wrote and it's super simple it's like opening github and this is when i invert locally on the repository in my case vs code that i just have a command which just opens the line where i entered from github it copies the link to a line that i'm adding to my clipboard i really need this because i'm always sending code pointers left and right to people so this is something which is very simple and i am really dependent on it there's of course larger extensions which i live without but that's like in my free time sometimes i do python and then obviously i need to fight an extension or for python i felt it's really useful yeah brian go ahead sure i'm probably a bit of a homer since i used to work on this stuff but i really like the azure extensions and shout out to that team at microsoft as well if you want to look at like really well crafted really well thought out user interfaces like even if you're considering building vs code extensions for your company i would advise you to look at one the ones here at stripe i think they're really well done and the azure extensions and because that team takes a lot of care to readjust the flows and like they're leading the way that i think other companies should follow like just to be totally frank it absolutely blows away the other cloud providers vs code extensions like it makes managing cloud resources really nice to the point that i don't use the azure portal anymore i have things to say about the azure portal but i i have nothing but nice things to say about the azure extensions in addition to that like the first things i always install i'm a javascript developer by trade so i always install prettier right away i always install the editor config one just to get my environment set up i used to love the bracket colorizer one but they actually built that in now oh the remote extensions those are very important as well instead of having the ssh into servers now i can just open my server directly from vs code or i can open my containers directly with vs code that was an absolute game changer for my workflows because now i can just spin up my development container attach my vs code instance to it and just start working on it right away that yeah absolute total change in my workflow when those came out so those also get me super excited as ryan was listing those sellers going through my list of extension and it's it's pretty much the same so i i love all of them i have them all installed and maybe only one more to shout out eslints because they'll be having lots of like link checking in vs code so this extension really helps calm catch these leading errors before you commit so that that's great shout out to derek i guess here's the audio yeah so prettier is for code formatting we've got linting we've got tools for connecting to remote servers i have tons of questions but the first i guess this one is a little bit loaded also but i'm curious what the language support for c sharp is going to look like moving forward and maybe we could talk a little bit about the tension between vs code or like fvs code versus the full visual studios experience i know like in a lot of these language extensions like python or the ruby extensions we've got really great tools for using prettier to auto format and we've got tools for linting and running and debugging and doing all kinds of testing and stuff but i i feel like when i've worked in c sharp inside of vs code it's been a little bit i've been left like wanting a little bit in terms of the tooling and i'm curious if that is because of like conscious decisions around not wanting to to eat into the visual studio audience or if that is just because most of the extensions are community maintained or yeah i'm just curious to hear maybe you're taking a sedon like the c sharp in particular the support for c sharp and the extensions given vs code is a microsoft product and c sharp seems pretty popular over there yep first of all for sun the mario's visual studio is much better than the visual studio code for some visual studio code is much better and i guess that's just the reality now there is a team which which works on a c-sharp extension or vs code however i i'm not part of that team so this is not first-hand and the c-sharp the extension for vs code is actively maintained on some features they're actually one sub-different jump on for example a couple of weeks ago we launched the platform-specific extension feature which allows extensions to publish specific bits depending on the platform and exiting c-sharp was the one that jammed on it immediately it's definitely actively developed however with the experience for c-sharp with this code i cannot say first-hand because i don't work in c-sharp working types and javascript and maybe the reason why this code is actually best for typescript in javascript is if you remember our self-hosting story we really sell post on typestripped in javascript when i say via vs code team who we really find curators experiences because i think we're like experts in those and they never really sell posted on c sharp just because none of there is no part of the product which is written you can see sharp so i don't really know it probably can be improved but it's just i i think they fix time got it okay yeah all of that makes sense yeah i will have to try the c sharp extension again i have to admit it was several months ago maybe six months ago or so so i'm excited to see any updates i was looking at some of the vs code extension examples around lsp which i think is like language server protocol and i found that a lot of the tooling that folks are building on top of those is like auto complete and jump to definition but yeah sup super curious uh to hear if you've seen really clever or really interesting extensions built on top of these lsps and then maybe if you wouldn't mind just talking about how they work do you actually need a server running can you run your server somewhere that's like uh remote or does it always have to run locally and yeah how does that all fit together this lsp this language server protocol that's just a protocol it's like a language how how you communicate with vs code similar to the top which is the debug adapter protocol this is also like a unified protocol for all languages and that's the challenge in designing those protocol not going very language specific not having something which is i don't know only there for javascript like what's common for all languages and that's always a challenge when designing these protocols i have actively worked on this debug adapter protocol and there i i know many more details and thanks to that to deliver people with one protocol to have debugging in vs code for multiple languages from c-plus to javascript to some very funky languages like which i forgot but and similar with language server protocol once we established this protocol it was really easy for different extensions to jump onto this and thanks to this we have good unified experiences across different languages and now your your question was also about cool usage of the lsp and i'll have to get back to you on that one in the chat i'll find it i'll find a cool example i don't have one top of my mind right now when you're using lsp i it's my understanding there's a server and a client component and i think in all the samples that i saw the server runs locally and is like part of part of the extension are there cases where the server actually runs like some remote place and like you can get it up yeah so i think the server can run anywhere you want that you have to run locally now if there are examples when it runs remotely i'm i'm not really sure so i will have a double check cool oh i'm also seeing a question here from peanut also peanut thanks for yeah i think node was the language i forgot or the yeah the the target peanut asks just wondering what are your favorite themes for vs code i can go i think i'm using one dark but also the night owl theme from sarah drazner is uh really beautiful right yeah go ahead yeah i was gonna shout out sarah for sure i also this is probably dumb i'm probably admitting too much about myself here but i just like the default thing like dark dark plus is that what it's called i end up using that quite a bit but yeah i'm pretty well switching back and forth between i also like west boss's cobalt too as well yeah i personally prefer light themes i just got used to them so for me to switch a team it's like you know it's work on my brain because my brain just got trained to one thing what does this color be then if i switch a thing it's the brain has to rewire all these fires again it's just painful so i like themes and i don't like when they're very bright so then it's not too hard on my eyes that's why i use the github sharp theme that's the name the thing with that theme it's very similar to maybe the default light but it's more greyish than white and then it's easier for my eyes that's the one i use very nice very nice yeah we we try to make the videos that we produce for the striped developer youtube match the branding match stripe branding and i had a fun exercise in forking sir drasner's her theme that i think it's the night owl theme and then trying to update certain colors so that they matched even more closely so that's a fun it was a fun exercise in trying to figure out which which things in that json file to to tweak to make the theme look exactly how we wanted it and yeah so i i know we're coming close up on the end of time here so i've got one more question for isidore and one for brian so isidore what can we expect in terms of tooling that will be available or is there anything you can share about what might be coming next for for extensions or apis that we might be able to use yeah absolutely so maybe i highlight some things which we should download for verified publishers so if you're an extension author you can get verified that the idea of the future is then the users can more easily figure out the authenticity of each author for example stripe could become a verified publisher you need the https domain then you just need to verify that the main ownership just google vs verified publishers and we have docs so that's like one cool feature another cool feature for extensions that we're looking into is insiders extension so currently for example get lens there's a git lens extension and there's the git lens insiders extension which are two parallel extensions the insiders one gets updated every day and this is like a custom solution which eric ambrodio did and now we're streamlining this and we will allow extension authors to publish insiders versions for their extensions and just when you publish you just need to pass an argument and say hey this is actually the insider's version and then the users can easily switch between if they want the insider's version or the regular one making sure that extension authors get regular feedback from fans who are happy to be on the bleeding edge so those are two cool features that we're working on for extensions and then api will always add a new api as i said there's the steps api but the best thing to see what we already know actually just go to our repository vs code we have milestones and just click on the november mouse so and you'll see everything which is assigned to the android mouse and that means we're working on it or you can just read our iteration plan which gets updated every milestone and the iteration plan has basically a list of things that we're actively working on and of course we're always looking for feedback so feel free to reach out to our github awesome yeah that the verified publisher thing i have wanted for a while because there are some extensions where i'm trying to see what level of trust can i have in this thing being maintained and updated et cetera et cetera so that'll be that sounds really helpful uh i know we're running low brian what is up next for the straight for bs code extension what can we expect for uh yeah the future of that i would say the first thing is we would like to build what you want so i'm just gonna plug right now if you go into your stripe extension the bottom left you can click on help and feedback and then there's a place where it says like re rate and leave feedback one even if you just give us a rating that's helpful of like how satisfied you are with it but even better if you could say i'm trying to do this and it's not there or i saw this other extension do this and i wish yours did or i don't like the java dependency which i was corrected by eve that it is gone now there is no java dependency so one thank you eve and everyone say thank you eve in the chat please and thank you that that is our short term road map we've finished off our v1 features we're looking at how the community is using the vs code extension and we're going to try and build what you all want to use as far as what i have immediately on my roadmap we're going to try and add some features that let you know how your code is running basically some observability into the vs code extension so if you have common errors that you're showing up or if you have out of date api calls we're going to try and be more proactive with you and let you know hey we see this is going wrong with your stripe deployment here's some mitigation steps and bring some more of that monitoring of your stripe deployment into vs code that's the nearest term saying look for that and we're hoping that could be like a q1 q2 kind of thing but yeah please let us know feedback is always helpful yes indeed please yeah we're all looking we're all looking for feedback we want to make this all better for the community so let us know we can improve all right let's last last quickie isidore you got anything you want to plug before we wrap it was really fun that you invited me so thanks for the opportunity and if anybody wants to reach out to me my github username i'll write in the chat it's basically just like my name consider and then and n for new colleagues so whenever you create issues or feature requests for vs code feel free to bring me i'll be happy to engage and say hi amazing thank you brian anything you want to plug i always plug anti-cannons it's my favorite charity they help people escape the cycle of human trafficking by learning to code so i always plug in them and then beyond that we have some really exciting features coming up for the stripe cli for the vs code extension as the sdks as well please reach out to me i'm hold it stripe.com if you all want to email me with suggestions or things that you want to see built into the developer products at stripe yeah just let me know amazing awesome thank you both so much for all of your time this was uh this was really information rich and i i learned a ton so really appreciate you being here so we are going to skip december but we're really excited for you to join us in january for our next edition of stripe dead live if you have any topic ideas or things you want to hear about from the community please let us know by dropping those in the hangout channel and as always we'd love for you to to follow us and stay tuned and subscribe all of those things we've got a monthly developer digest newsletter that we send out with a bunch of stripe updates so if you want to stay plugged in and updated what's coming out for stripe head over and subscribe to that newsletter we're also really active on twitter at stripe dev and on our youtube channel on the stripe developers channel so if you want to head over and subscribe you'll be notified for all the new content that's coming out teaching you how to use stripe we also launch a lot of content about new products and features that are coming out so that is it thanks again so much for joining us and yeah 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