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title: The First Pancake: Hello World
slug: the-first-pancake-hello-world
published_at: 2022-08-08 16:24:03 +0000
updated_at: 2022-11-20 20:12:35 +0000
summary: In this episode, CJ and Colin share their origin stories and what led them to become software developers. They also set the stage for what to expect on the show - building and learning from software development but also life. 

Audio note: this episode was recorded via Zoom. Look forward to better audio in Episode 2!
description: &lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why a podcast?&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Fun to hang out&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;We learn a lot from one another.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Chance to share what we’re building and learning in public&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Chance to meet and elevate other folks in the community&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Set the stage for what to expect on the show&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;We are figuring this out, so don’t hold us to it in these first few episodes ;)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Building and learning from Software Development but also life&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Introduction and background - Our Origin Stories&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;First web dev moments&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;CJ&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;TI89 games (2003)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;MySpace (2004?)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Perl for seismology lab (2005)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;free 000webhost style domain with ads (2005)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;PHP pamphlet sites for air conditioning company&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;UNR Student union &lt;a href=\&quot;http://ASP.NET\&quot;&gt;ASP.NET&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Contract work building one-off apps - campaign management app that later rebuilt in Rails&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Joined the military, deployed in 2011 to Afghanistan, and learned a ton of Cisco networking and security&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Learned c++ in CS, but also did a lot of IS classes and started IS focused MBA after graduating&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=\&quot;http://VB.NET\&quot;&gt;VB.NET&lt;/a&gt; at a finance company focused on insider trading&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;.NET c# for robots - wasn’t a fan of the company&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;“become a hacker” - App Academy fell in love with ruby&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Small vacation rental startup where I learned - Django and python&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Stripe&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Colin&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Library books on “VRML”, making games, “hacking” games locally to do different things &lt;a href=\&quot;https://store.steampowered.com/app/32380/STAR_WARS_Jedi_Knight_Dark_Forces_II/\&quot;&gt;https://store.steampowered.com/app/32380/STAR_WARS_Jedi_Knight_Dark_Forces_II/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Homestead, Geocities, Myspace &lt;a href=\&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_GeoCities\&quot;&gt;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_GeoCities&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=\&quot;https://myspace.com/\&quot;&gt;https://myspace.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Photoshop Communities &amp;amp; Kirupa Forum - Layer Tennis&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Writing code in Notepad, no syntax highlighting, no project folder&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;College - Started with Computer Sci but decided to take another path&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;College Newspaper - College Publisher&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Rails CMS for the newspaper&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Realizing that I would graduate, I moved us to WordPress&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Agency → Laid off in recession → Starting my own agency&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;WordPress&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;APIs&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Salesforce&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Building tech community&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Reno Collective Coworking&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ignite Reno&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;hackathons, meetups&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;A few startups&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Founder, first-employee&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;More consulting&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Now at Orbit - &lt;a href=\&quot;https://orbit.love/\&quot;&gt;https://orbit.love/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Links&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=\&quot;https://twitter.com/colinloretz\&quot;&gt;https://twitter.com/colinloretz&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=\&quot;https://twitter.com/cjav_dev\&quot;&gt;https://twitter.com/cjav_dev&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=\&quot;https://github.com/cjavdev/vim-curriculum\&quot;&gt;https://github.com/cjavdev/vim-curriculum&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href=\&quot;https://abookapart.com/\&quot;&gt;https://abookapart.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href=\&quot;https://www.aneventapart.com/\&quot;&gt;https://www.aneventapart.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href=\&quot;http://www.csszengarden.com/\&quot;&gt;http://www.csszengarden.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href=\&quot;https://www.zeldman.com/\&quot;&gt;https://www.zeldman.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href=\&quot;https://www.reddit.com/r/PixelCanvas/\&quot;&gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/PixelCanvas/&lt;/a&gt; live pixel canvas&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href=\&quot;https://www.youtube.com/cjavilla\&quot;&gt;https://www.youtube.com/cjavilla&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
duration: 2531
keywords: []
author: CJ Avilla
co_author: Colin Loretz
url: https://www.cjav.dev/podcasts/the-first-pancake-hello-world
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podcast_show: Build and Learn
type: podcast_episode
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# The First Pancake: Hello World

*Published: August 08, 2022*
*Duration: 2531 seconds*
*Podcast: Build and Learn*

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## Show Notes

&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why a podcast?&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Fun to hang out&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;We learn a lot from one another.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Chance to share what we’re building and learning in public&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Chance to meet and elevate other folks in the community&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Set the stage for what to expect on the show&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;We are figuring this out, so don’t hold us to it in these first few episodes ;)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Building and learning from Software Development but also life&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Introduction and background - Our Origin Stories&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;First web dev moments&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;CJ&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;TI89 games (2003)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;MySpace (2004?)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Perl for seismology lab (2005)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;free 000webhost style domain with ads (2005)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;PHP pamphlet sites for air conditioning company&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;UNR Student union &lt;a href=&quot;http://ASP.NET&quot;&gt;ASP.NET&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Contract work building one-off apps - campaign management app that later rebuilt in Rails&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Joined the military, deployed in 2011 to Afghanistan, and learned a ton of Cisco networking and security&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Learned c++ in CS, but also did a lot of IS classes and started IS focused MBA after graduating&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://VB.NET&quot;&gt;VB.NET&lt;/a&gt; at a finance company focused on insider trading&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;.NET c# for robots - wasn’t a fan of the company&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;“become a hacker” - App Academy fell in love with ruby&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Small vacation rental startup where I learned - Django and python&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Stripe&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Colin&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Library books on “VRML”, making games, “hacking” games locally to do different things &lt;a href=&quot;https://store.steampowered.com/app/32380/STAR_WARS_Jedi_Knight_Dark_Forces_II/&quot;&gt;https://store.steampowered.com/app/32380/STAR_WARS_Jedi_Knight_Dark_Forces_II/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Homestead, Geocities, Myspace &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_GeoCities&quot;&gt;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_GeoCities&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;https://myspace.com/&quot;&gt;https://myspace.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Photoshop Communities &amp;amp; Kirupa Forum - Layer Tennis&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Writing code in Notepad, no syntax highlighting, no project folder&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;College - Started with Computer Sci but decided to take another path&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;College Newspaper - College Publisher&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Rails CMS for the newspaper&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Realizing that I would graduate, I moved us to WordPress&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Agency → Laid off in recession → Starting my own agency&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;WordPress&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;APIs&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Salesforce&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Building tech community&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Reno Collective Coworking&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ignite Reno&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;hackathons, meetups&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;A few startups&amp;nbsp;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Founder, first-employee&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;More consulting&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Now at Orbit - &lt;a href=&quot;https://orbit.love/&quot;&gt;https://orbit.love/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Links&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/colinloretz&quot;&gt;https://twitter.com/colinloretz&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/cjav_dev&quot;&gt;https://twitter.com/cjav_dev&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://github.com/cjavdev/vim-curriculum&quot;&gt;https://github.com/cjavdev/vim-curriculum&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://abookapart.com/&quot;&gt;https://abookapart.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.aneventapart.com/&quot;&gt;https://www.aneventapart.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csszengarden.com/&quot;&gt;http://www.csszengarden.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.zeldman.com/&quot;&gt;https://www.zeldman.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.reddit.com/r/PixelCanvas/&quot;&gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/PixelCanvas/&lt;/a&gt; live pixel canvas&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/cjavilla&quot;&gt;https://www.youtube.com/cjavilla&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;


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